A good friend of mine, who shall remain nameless, pointed out something to me from PT that is hilarious. There are a few people on PT that really get my back up and I’m sure you all know who they are. Tracy Coenen herself, Suzy Q, Raisinberry (a/k/a Raisin-Stupid-Berry or DingbatBerry) and Lazy Gardens. SawTheLight used to but I guess she went off to paint pictures of horses and collect her director check even though she bashes Mary Kay all the time. Lazy Gardens really chips my nail because she has never been a consultant, she is a liar and she acts like she knows everything. She is a certified desert landscaper. What the heck is that? Plant a cactus and you’re done. Anyway, yesterday she posted a comment that she meant to be derogatory to those of us in Mary Kay, but she hit the nail on the head regarding someone else. Here is her comment, in part:
. . . if you are a clinical narcissist … all other humans exist to serve your purpose, you are entitled to have whatever you want, and dumping used-up people is like throwing away used kleenex.
Criteria for narcissistic personality disorder to be diagnosed include:
* Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
* Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power or beauty
* Believing that you are special and can associate only with equally special people
* Requiring constant admiration
* Having a sense of entitlement
* Taking advantage of others
* Inability to recognize needs and feelings of others
* Being envious of others
* Behaving in an arrogant or haughty mannerRecognize anyone?
(Emphasis mine)
Does this not describe Tracy Coenen to a perfect T??? If LG was so darn smart, she would realize that what with Tracy tossing her friends aside like “used Kleenex.”
Here is my belief about Tracy and I will believe this until the day I die because I have seen way too many examples for me to change my opinion. Tracy is furious that she could not rise to the top of MK faster than a speeding bullet. She is used to skirting all boundaries to get what she wants because she feels entitled. When that didn’t work in MK, she quit and starting her internet bashing and has done it every since. She now has put a spin on it to make it look like she is helping other people. Here is an example of that from her own website:
And for that very reason, I will not stop. Do you think maybe I’m a little tired of explaining things about returning inventory? Yes, I’ve been at it for 3 years now, so it’s old to me. But it’s NEW TO THEM. I never knew how many consultants have no idea that they can get their money back!
And it’s not just that issue. There are many others. I’ve discussed them to death. But this isn’t about me. This is about the women who are seeing this stuff for the very first time.
I do it for them.
Aw, isn’t that sweet? She is so giving and nurturing and caring, isn’t she?
Blech!!! Excuse me, I had to spit–had a bad taste in my mouth for even thinking that.
See characteristics above. Tracy is envious of us that have a Mary Kay life. Heck, she is envious of anyone who has a life at all. She is as mean as a snake but believes she deserves all the adoration and envy she can muster out of people.
Well, here’s the thing. The type of people that feel that way about her are the ones that don’t read what they sign and don’t know how to find out how to educate themselves about Mary Kay. See what she said above? “I never knew how many consultants have no idea that they can get their money back!” Guess what you morons. Pick up the phone and call the company. Call your recruiter or director. READ THE WEBSITE. It’s all there. You didn’t need Tracy Coenen to tell you.
Or maybe you did, because your collective IQs are so low all you can do is read the words of a clinical narcissist.
Sorry if that seemed a bit harsh, folks. But that last post of Tracy’s really made me sick to my stomach and I am not too nice when I am in the condition.
Thoughts?
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April 19, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Rebecca
Oh, my my my my my! I am So ROFLMBO. !!!!
Why? Ok, for all of you who know me……..
As Me said, they did not READ!!!!!!!!!!!!
They won’t read the Agreement, the Consultants Guide, InTouch; but they will read Tracy’s web site? Huh? ROFLMBO. And then all the whinin’ about “I didn’t know!!!” Until the oh-so-wonderful-savior-Tracy explained it to them.
Oy.
Whazat you said about IQ, Me?
April 19, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Pink Bren
Me…I don’t think it seems harsh. You are calling a spade a spade, and my thought on this if you can’t handle the heat then stay out of the kitchen. My thought on tracey is that she is the meanest thing on the net. She is out for herself and if those that continue to post on pt well they get what they deserve. I am telling you I watched that video that they have on their and I didn’t find anything wrong with it. I thought that is was nothing out of the ordinary however she and her little groupies where saying how bad it was. I wonder since it is copywritted if MKC might find it not so good that it is on there.
Anyway I agree with you also that if you sign before you read you also get what you deserve. I think that MK is an opporunity that you have and you get to work it the way that you want. If you want to move up then you work more if you don’t then you don’t. I think that if most would work it the way that MKA had intended then they would be doing good. I also believe that manyhave that gotta have it now thing going. Anything worth having is worth working hard for.
I own a hair salon and I can tell you that I have worked my tail off and built up my business. Now I don’t work as hard however the buck stops with me and when you own a business any business the buck stops with the owner of the company. The reason that I want to work my MK is that it would free up a little more time. And when I get my MK built up I will only do MK. I am hoping that will be soon. I am working it a little harder than I used to.
Oh man this is long so I will stop. However I just wish that those that are posting on pt would realize that tc is just using them for her own selfish goals.
Have a great evening.
April 20, 2008 at 10:27 pm
mkrules
It’s just kinda sad…ok, really sad. TC has so much vigor, she could really put her talent for writing and lobbying to good use if she found a relevant issue.
While I do know that not all recruiters/directors will tell the recruit how to return inventory, I also know that calling MKC is super easy to do. Just use your dialing finger and VIOLA! Information at your fingertips…literally!
The root of this is people not reading their agreement, or intouch, and not taking the business seriously.
As far as TC thinking she is doing people favors, that depends on who you ask! While giving info on returning inventory is one thing, blantant bashing of MKC and its consultants as well as talking about how to cheat MKC out of even more money is another thing indeed. I don’t think being dishonest is the answer or a good revenge plot. Doesn’t that make you as bad as whomever you are plotting against? It was not MKC’s idea for you to get all that product, remember? Oh I get it, you really needed that charm bracelet, did you? *sigh* The answer to these “issues” is for ladies to stop being “polite” by spending thousands on inventory. Be tough! Get how ever much inventory YOU want to, but then remember that no one is to blame but yourself if you do not sell it.
Ok, rant over….
April 21, 2008 at 12:26 pm
mk4me
The thing that just floors me is the entire time many of the posters were in Mary Kay they seemed unable to read anything that would have helped them. We know that the information that is posted on PT is on the Beauty Consultant agreement, on intouch, in training materials, in new consultant guides, and as mkrules points out the Company phone numbers were they will anser any questions you have.
Now, I understand at first maybe, you just don’t know where to look and you just listen to someone who may give you bad advice or there is not a mutual understanding but if you are in Mary Kay for any length of time, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to read what you have received from the Company. And, what excuse do you use for never reading things after 5, 10, 15 or more years. I have never scene anything anywhere that says you should buy product that you do not need just to earn a prize. Actualy once you are established, the thing that I have always seen is the 60/40 split. Even if a calculator was required, 60% of $100 of sales is only $60 so how would you figure ordering $1800 for a prize is “taught” by MK.
Ironically enough, now that many of these posters have made some really poor business decisions and repeated the same mistakes over and over again, they now go to PT and are reading things and gooshing over how great PT/TC are for providing this information. The very same information that has been available to them all the time.
I can understand that an individual would not want to feel that they had been manipulated but one must accept personal responsibility for their actions. What’s the old saying about sh** on me once, shame on you, but twice, shame on me. ?? We are suppose to learn from our mistakes and not repeat them.
Even more entertaining is how if you read long enough, everything that is written is contradicted. I love it that one of the posts, they are saying how NSD’s and Directors are wanting the GenY-ers because they will be the future of Mary Kay. True, young blood is needed in any Company. Then they say that this will be the downfall of Mary Kay because this Generation, doesn’t take things at face value. They research, they read, they are self-thinkers and set goals and aren’t easily manipulated.
Wow, this Generation is just what I feel every consultant should be doing and then they wouldn’t have ended up on PT in thousands and thousands of dollars in debt. It seems that this Generation would be the “C” personality type that we are taught in the DISC personality type, which are very analytical people. From my years of experience, it is far more likely an “I” personality type is the one who is going to make mistakes because it is too much about the attention they are getting.
So… it is a good thing that they read and won’t make foolish mistakes but it is a bad thing because “why”?? Because they will prove if you operate your MK as a business and build it strong on sales and recruiting to follow, and work in the best interests of others, you can have a great opportunity.
April 22, 2008 at 10:35 am
kate
all business has success & failure
not just mary kay
April 22, 2008 at 7:28 pm
ecppt55
I’ve been reading the PT site for some time. I recently found you all after I started to suspect there was more than meets the eye over there. Two sides to every story, as it were. The thing that bothers me is the “witch hunt” mentality that seems to be going on regarding any and all direct sales companies. (See today’s entry about Tupperware.) I don’t disregard some of the negative experiences that those ladies have had, but honestly, the fixation with how they were “lied to” is wearing thin. I really want to scream “didn’t you think to read before you signed?” It seems much of their problem(s) stemmed from expecting something for nothing and feeling “manipulated” when they didn’t get it.
April 22, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Rebecca
ecppt55, that’s good! “It seems much of their problem(s) stemmed from expecting something for nothing and feeling “manipulated” when they didn’t get it.”
Yup, that’s good! Then they want to blame someone else that they figured they’d get somthing for nothing - “it’s HER fault”…. “SHE didn’t TELL me”….. “Nobody TOLD me that!” “THEY dangled that PRIZE so I just had to CHARGE it!”
Gee, I gotta wonder how they cope with the shopping channels on TV…….
April 22, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Rebecca
RE: Tupperware:
Last I read on that mlm-truth site of Jon Taylor’s, ole Doc Taylor doesn’t (as in does NOT) consider Tupperware to be an MLM, or (what’s that phrase he invented?) a “product based pyrimad scheme”.
April 23, 2008 at 1:45 am
mk4me
and let’s not forget, because they could not do this business honestly and make a profit, it means none of us can. Right??
April 23, 2008 at 7:22 am
ecppt55
If you really read the Tupperware post, I don’t know how you’re supposed to come away with any sense of “deception” at all. A lot of what she writes is subjective or hearsay. For example:
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Tupperware is not only sold by its home based sales force, but it is also sold at kiosks in the mall, and you can direct buy from the Tupperware website (and never have to contact a consultant).
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Okay, this right there makes me say, so then what’s your beef about them being an MLM?!?! If you like Tupperware, you have plenty of options on how and where you buy it.
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Most products are of good quality – however, the products are very pricey.
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Subjective. What’s pricey to one person isn’t pricey to someone else. Besides, if Tupperware is the only place you’ve ever seen that certain bowl or storage container or whatever that you like and want, the price will be less an issue because the item has value to you. This is true of ANYTHING out there for sale. People choose all the time what is most important to them: price, usage factor, the simple fact of “liking something”, etc. Honestly, what is the big deal?
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Neither kit is spectacular, and I have heard that many newer consultants do not feel this kit contains the proper products to demo at your first party. Often, new consultants purchase additional products to enhance their demonstration table at parties.
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Wholly subjective! Who says “neither is spectacular?” What does “I have heard…” mean? What does “often” mean? I get the impression the writer of this post knows one person who had a bad experience with Tupperware and has taken that and run with it as “across the board”. And if new consultants DO purchase add’l products to demo, isn’t that their perogative? Are they forced to do it? I don’t think so! They can SEE the kit options right up front, clearly Tupperware doesn’t hide this information from them. If they decide they want add’l items, why is that supposed to be seen as some “manipulation”?
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There is an abundance of training online in on the Tupperware sales support website, but it is the consultant’s job to seek it out.
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This is a bad thing?!?!? Wow. Self-motivate much?
I could go on and on but if you read it, you see it’s full of “I’ve heard”, “consultants may”, “you could spend” statements that are meant to give you the impression that it’s all out of your hands, that you don’t control any of the costs, etc. But it’s just silly. Of COURSE you COULD spend a lot on product, of COURSE you COULD not pay attention and let your expenses eat up your profit. Is that ever NOT true, in any life situation?
Nothing in her post leaves me with a negative impression of Tupperware, only a negative impression of her and her clear intention to find something, ANYthing she can twist to suit a pre-determined outcome.
April 23, 2008 at 7:24 am
ecppt55
By the way, I DON’T sell Tupperware! lol
April 23, 2008 at 7:34 am
Me
“Nothing in her post leaves me with a negative impression of Tupperware, only a negative impression of her and her clear intention to find something, ANYthing she can twist to suit a pre-determined outcome.”
Amen, Sister!!
April 23, 2008 at 11:53 am
colleen
What many people dont realize (I know Rebecca does) is that people buy on EMOTION!!! The women of PT are frustrated by what they have experienced from their UNITS and DIRECTORS. They speak from emotion they dont speak from FACTS. Association brings on assimiliation and the more they feed the frenzy of their EMOTION the more likely they are to become like one another. I DO feel for those who have had bad experiences but for those who have had good experiences when we have good EMOTIONS we are told we are in the “pink fog” I like the FOG or the MYST or the SHADES or whatever you want to call it. Im sure most of you have heard the old saying if you want to learn how to get rich, or be a public speaker hang around or get advice from someone who is rich not poor, someone who is vocal not silent if you want to be a speaker.
The facts are yes some consultants return product and some dont, some become directors and some dont. The facts are NOT MK makes horrible makeup does it work for some and not others YES those are the FACTS.
Some women are making a full and part time living from MK THOSE are the facts. Women buy on EMOTION not facts and of course product performance. I say all this to say that if MK is going down the toilet (and no company is immune to that) show me the FACTS not your EMOTIONS!
I know people who hate McDonalds and Popeyes worth a passion and say these companies are going to tank and they are vegetarian. The FACTS are these fast food places are doing very well. Lazy Gardens who APPEARS to know certain things can dredge up what she considers to be facts all she wants and I commend her for trying she is not a bad writer and she wants to be important (DONT WE ALL). Over at PT they think we dont get it we DO get it some will, some wont, so what!!! Its a fact of life with ANY business or any relationship. If people dont read their agreements or brochures or whatever is in their starter kit that is on THEM!
Going to PT to find out anything is like going to church to find hell! There are half truths. The BEST THING PT ever did was bring a bunch of women together who have something in common like any site does. Thank God for the balanced ones. ME, MYST, SHADES and BALANCED MK and MK RULES and others provide balance we need that in life those are the facts!
April 26, 2008 at 10:52 am
obtainfinancialfreedomwithme
Hi Everyone. I am new here. I argree with everything that you all are saying. I read PT from time to time. I am what they would call a “lurker”. Lol. Anyways what turned me off from the site is that they were alway bashing MK. Not just MK, but any MLM. I am like they are really against them. Everyone has to make their business what they make it. I do feel for those that did have bad experiences. I really do. I just feel that any business you start is what you make it. You will have good and bad days. Since we own the business or it is ours from the beginning, then we have the power to do what is right from the beginning and not what we feel is wrong. So we ourselves as individuals have the power to turn things around for our future unit if that is what we are headed towards. I feel that people bash the companies because they didn’t get the results that they wanted in the amount of time they felt they should have gotten them. I don’t think that is right because all of these companies are good. You get out of them what you put in them. You can’t sit on your behind. You have to work the business in order to get the results you want. Thanks for your blog. Continue to do what you do. Take care.
April 29, 2008 at 8:06 am
colleen
Im not against dual marketing or MLM’s if you can make money selling the product!!! If you can only make substantial money recruiting then Im totally against it.
April 29, 2008 at 4:00 pm
colleen
You all will want to read this link its very informative and Mary Kay is mentioned..
http://www.greshesblog.com/talking-success-blog/2008/2/19/the-excuse-of-market-saturation.html
April 29, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Me
THANK YOU, COLLEEN!!! This is so special, I am starting a whole new topic about it.
April 30, 2008 at 7:58 am
colleen
Oh Im honored let me go that topic now!!!!
May 26, 2008 at 7:54 am
Tanya Fussell
I was never in Mary Kay, but I am so glad you put out a web site to counteract that Tracy’s web site Pink Truth. Network Marketing/Direct Selling is a very admiral form of capitalism and a great profession to be in regardless of what anybody says.
I have seen pink truth and other web sites created by people who just don’t get that and when they fail (because they did not hold themselves accountable for running their business like a business owner and learning the ropes) they get mad at the world and complain constantly like there is nothing else in life better to do. They do not realize the problem lies within them and not this industry.
It is said that misery loves company and Tracy and many others seem to be a very misreable unsuccessful in life bunch of people. That is coming from an outsiders point of view and I am certain many others feel the same way I do.